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First geometry regents – later today

June 16, 2009 am30 7:44 am

Back to normal blogging…

The first edition of the New York State geometry regents will be administered at 9 this morning. The questions likely will fall close to those in the “test sampler” the State issued last fall.

This is the only math regents that actually stays (more or less) on topic, with the vast majority of the questions related to geometry. There is likely only one proof, but other opportunities to justify answers.

There are 28 two-point multiple choice, 6 two-point free response, 3 four-point free response, and 1 six-point free response (that last is likely a proof). The 86 total points will then be scaled (they claim psychometricians are involved, I would wager that it’s only a tad better than arbitrary).

Over under? I’m going for somewhere in the high 40s or low 50s equating to a minimum passing score (65). I call 51.

And we’ll be back in this space this evening reviewing the quality of the exam as a whole, and some of the individual questions.

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  1. doug permalink
    June 16, 2009 am30 9:16 am 9:16 am

    Your guess on the passing score is about the same as mine. I will say 54.

    • Anonymous permalink
      June 19, 2009 pm30 12:45 pm 12:45 pm

      Doug, can you just shut the F*** up, you dont anything about the Geometry Regents, ok, so please just shut your mouth. you are completely wrong, ok so shut up. The passing score for the regents should be 43 raw points. ight Doug, shut your mouth!!!!!!!!!!

  2. Jonathan permalink
    June 16, 2009 pm30 12:57 pm 12:57 pm

    Do you think you will need a higher raw score to get a 65 on the trig regent

  3. June 16, 2009 pm30 1:46 pm 1:46 pm

    The Trignometry regents haven’t been administrated!

  4. June 16, 2009 pm30 1:47 pm 1:47 pm

    The trignometry Regents ahven’t been administrated. THey will be next year! GOod luck!

  5. June 16, 2009 pm30 2:19 pm 2:19 pm

    Only one of the questions on the test sampler is unrelated to geometry: ‘What is the negation of the statement “The Sun is shining”?’!

    • Anonymous permalink
      June 16, 2009 pm30 2:34 pm 2:34 pm

      Logic is very much a geometry concept.

      • June 16, 2009 pm30 3:13 pm 3:13 pm

        OK, I should have said, “… not specific to geometry.”

        Logic underpins the whole of mathematics, of course. Another question on the test sampler asks for, ‘a statement that is logically equivalent to the statement “If two sides of a triangle are congruent, the angles opposite those sides are congruent.’, and asks you to identify the new statement as the converse, inverse, or contrapositive of the original statement.

    • carly permalink
      June 16, 2009 pm30 7:36 pm 7:36 pm

      the question had to have more to it. to negate it, you need a conditional and you negate it by making the if part a if not.
      so if the sun is shining negated is if the sun is not shining

    • Anonymous permalink
      June 16, 2009 pm30 9:09 pm 9:09 pm

      the sun is not shining

    • Anonymous permalink
      June 20, 2009 pm30 2:37 pm 2:37 pm

      no thats geometry. if you actually took the course or had a half decent teacher, you would have been taught about p implies q and such. completely geometry related.

      • June 20, 2009 pm30 2:43 pm 2:43 pm

        A implies B would ordinarily be considered part of Logic. Some of the basics are often taught in a high school geometry course because logic supports some of the reasoning we use in proof.

        For decades NY State has not had a real geometry curriculum. As districts come back to it, they may find that they are missing elements the State expects, and need to adjust.

        The inclusion of disjunctions and conjunctions (AND and OR statements) is very much at the edge of what might be included, or might be omitted. I am not at all surprised that many students were not exposed to them.

  6. June 16, 2009 pm30 4:09 pm 4:09 pm

    The geometry Exam that was given today, was easy. The only question that I know I possibly got wrong on the Multiple choice is the “WHAT ARE THE LATERAL FACES OF A PYRAMID” AND i PUT SquareS. i WAS confused and misunderstood that it said lateral faces and not bases!
    Also, for a 4 point question, did you get 9.2 for the length of SE?
    Question #35! About CIRCLES and secants? I got 9.2 as the length of SE. what was your answer?
    And for the perpendicular bisector thing, I forgot to illustate the right angle that was formed.

    It wasn’t so hard compared to the final exams for Geometry. anD None of the questions came from the test sampler!

    • Simone permalink
      June 18, 2009 pm30 2:53 pm 2:53 pm

      The answer to the pyramid question was isoscolese triangles.

  7. Maia permalink
    June 16, 2009 pm30 4:10 pm 4:10 pm

    thE TEST was easier than the sample test! Wasn’t it easier? Hello guys andd girls!!!!

    • carly permalink
      June 16, 2009 pm30 7:43 pm 7:43 pm

      yeah it was much easier. the questions were straight out and there was no confusion. for many schools this was the first geometry regions, so the state probably made it easier bc they didnt know how to grade it.

  8. Maia permalink
    June 16, 2009 pm30 4:12 pm 4:12 pm

    The answer to number 35 was 9.2 right! About the secants and the circle? wHAT IS THE length of SE? It was 9.2

    • Anonymous permalink
      June 17, 2009 pm30 12:47 pm 12:47 pm

      no it was 12….its the tangent squared times the tangent part then the whole….8*8=4*(4+x)….x turns out to b 12

  9. Eric permalink
    June 16, 2009 pm30 4:38 pm 4:38 pm

    Maria: You could recall that two tangents from the same circle that share a point are congruent:

    3x + 1x = 24.
    x = 6

    3(6) = 18

    Or use proportions: x(4x) = x(24) to get the same answer.

  10. Haylie permalink
    June 16, 2009 pm30 4:41 pm 4:41 pm

    what was the answer to the line with the point “p” on it?? how many planes are there perpendicular to line “m” that go through “p”??

    • Anonymous permalink
      June 16, 2009 pm30 5:22 pm 5:22 pm

      i got 1

    • carly permalink
      June 16, 2009 pm30 7:37 pm 7:37 pm

      the answer is one. because there is only one plane perpendicular to a plane, and since its a point on the plane its perpendicular.

    • June 16, 2009 pm30 9:41 pm 9:41 pm

      I thought it should be infinite, but the teacher said it was one.

      • Glen permalink
        June 17, 2009 pm30 5:13 pm 5:13 pm

        I thought it should be infinite too. My friend said any plane that runs through the line was the same plane, but I kept telling him it wasn’t. If I get that wrong, I’m fighting it. It’s infinite regardless what anyone says.

  11. Josh permalink
    June 16, 2009 pm30 4:59 pm 4:59 pm

    I took the geometry regents today. That was pretty hard. Will there be a curve on that Regents? My teacher is so bad. She never taught us some of the stuff that was on the Regents. It makes me so mad!

    • bef4969 permalink
      June 18, 2009 pm30 8:34 pm 8:34 pm

      what was left out?

  12. June 16, 2009 pm30 5:36 pm 5:36 pm

    I’m hoping for a cut off in the low 40’s. The kids I taught were very poor math students but they were taught the curriculum and matered it as best as they were capable of. They are used to low cut offs after the algebra exam. It wouldn’t be right to raise the cut off from 29 to 50, but you never know. The exam was easy and most of my kids found it doable.

  13. long island teacher permalink
    June 16, 2009 pm30 5:36 pm 5:36 pm

    I enjoy reading the information you post on your site, thus I don’t want to be disrespectful. I don’t see how they can make 51 even close to the scale for this exam. I see this as the eventual score, but this it the same group of students who needed a 30 points to pass their algebra exam. I’m thinking the score will be 39-43 to convert to a 65.

    The answer to how many planes are perpendicualr to the line and pass throught the point was one point.

    • Anonymous permalink
      June 16, 2009 pm30 7:43 pm 7:43 pm

      Since the regent is over, can you put on an answer key if you have one? I remember some of what I wrote. Thank you.

      • June 16, 2009 pm30 9:58 pm 9:58 pm

        29 20 either 1/2 of the perimeter of the large triangle or add 1/2 the lengths of each side
        30 3 arcs necessary to construct a perpendicular from a point not on the line
        31 y = -2x+14
        32 2 X for intersections of locus, perpendicular bisector 1.5″ from each endpoint and a circle with radius 2″ from A
        33 True, disjunction is true if any part is true
        34 20 set 2 congruent angles equal to each other and solve for x
        35 SE = 18 since tangent from the same point are congruent, x+3x=24, x=6 and 3x=18
        36 15 + 5 radical 5 , use 3 distance formulas(pythagorean Theorem)
        37 A(0,-1) B(-5,2) C(-6,-1) D(-1,-4)
        38 Vertical angles are congruent, midpoint cuts a segment into 2 congruent segments, SAS , CP in congruent triangles are congruent, If alternate interior angles are congruent, then the lines are parallel.

    • doug permalink
      June 16, 2009 pm30 9:02 pm 9:02 pm

      The reason I forsee a significantly higher passing raw score for the Geometry regents as opposed to the Integrated Algebra regents is that the algebra regents is a graduation requirement, whereas the geometry regents is not. Therefore, the state has more motivation to pass a lot more people for algebra than they do for geometry.

      That being said, I do think my earlier guess of 54 was a bit high, and would like to revise it to 49 (+/- 2).

  14. Sue permalink
    June 16, 2009 pm30 5:40 pm 5:40 pm

    I thought it was poorly written. TO much repetition of questions. I kid could get burned if they kept making the same mistake on circles. My students found it easy. I just feel there are so many questions to ask why repeat things. I was happy to see a reasonable proof. My call is a 46 will give them a 65

  15. GeometryTchr permalink
    June 16, 2009 pm30 6:16 pm 6:16 pm

    I can’t stand it when kids say their teachers are “so bad”.

    Geometry is different than algebra. It’s spatial, and some kids just don’t get spatial relationships, no matter what you do. When I teach locus, I move all the desks aside and use different colored duck tape to mark out lines, points, and intersecting lines. The class then uses their bodies to act out locus, moving together to create lines and circles. Then I teach the lesson formally and spend three days practicing locus problems. And still, 1/3 of my students got the easy locus problem on this test incorrect.

    The other problem that many of my students missed was the 2-point disjunction problem. I never presented the wording like that and some students wrote a paragraph trying to “justify” their answer.

    Others indicated the disjunction was T or F and completed a fully accurate truth table. I say they should get full credit because they identified the value of each part, but my colleagues wouldn’t budge because the student didn’t circle the row that applies even though it is clearly written what T or F is! What do you all think?

    If the test had just stated to find the truth value and show your work, 95% of my students would have gotten it correct. I will be sure to cover this base next year, but for now my students miss a problem that they knew how to solve because of their inability to accurately interpret the directions.

  16. John permalink
    June 16, 2009 pm30 6:42 pm 6:42 pm

    Does any one know the answer to the proof. I got kinda confused and didnt know how to prove they were parallel. By the way i thought that this test was pretty hard even after doing the practice regents and preparing for it well in advance.

    • GeometryTchr permalink
      June 16, 2009 pm30 6:52 pm 6:52 pm

      You needed to prove the two triangles congruent by side angle side. Then the angles are congruent by CPCTC. Then if two lines are cut by a transversal and the alternate interior angles are congruent, then the lines are parallel.

      • doug permalink
        June 16, 2009 pm30 9:08 pm 9:08 pm

        I think it would also be acceptable to point out that the intersecting segments can represent the diagonals of a quadrilateral, note that since C is the midpoint of both segments the two segments bisect each other, which makes the quadrilateral a parallelogram, and conclude by stating that the opposite sides of a parallelogram are parallel by the definition of a parallelogram.

  17. Vin permalink
    June 16, 2009 pm30 7:01 pm 7:01 pm

    I think the test was poorly written. Why was it necessary to have three questions about the equation of a circle in Part I? And two questions about equations of perpendicular lines? And systems of equations? I know coordinate geometry is a significant topic, but there is no reason for this kind of repetition when there was so little plane or solid geometry on the test. I don’t really see the point of changing the curriculum from Math A/Math B when the new courses are just as dense and disjointed. Why the people who write these curricula find it necessary to integrate so many different topics into each course is beyond me, but such us the system in which we work.

    And if the raw score necessary for a passing grade is 51, the City is screwed…

    • June 16, 2009 pm30 10:00 pm 10:00 pm

      Did you have any students question the wording on the plane perpendicular to the line question. I had a student show a vertical plane is always perpendicular to any line in a horizontal plane, shouldn’t the answer have been infinite?

      • Kevin permalink
        June 17, 2009 pm30 12:56 pm 12:56 pm

        Yes thats what I saw too.. yet everyone says its 1

        • brian permalink
          June 17, 2009 pm30 10:41 pm 10:41 pm

          yea, i got infinite aswell and i think that infinite should be an acceptable answer

        • Anonymous permalink
          June 17, 2009 pm30 10:46 pm 10:46 pm

          i really dont see how it could be infinite please explain?

      • Anonymous permalink
        June 20, 2009 pm30 2:51 pm 2:51 pm

        it can be infinite because there is no unit of measure to measure a plane, so in theory there can be infinite numbers of planes in large decimal numbers.

        • Anonymous permalink
          June 26, 2009 pm30 1:14 pm 1:14 pm

          I got infinite too and this was the only question I got wrong on the exam…because if you think about it, for the plane to be parallel to the line, the line does not have to be parallel to the line that forms from their intersection. Then, if you slightly alter the plane in a circular formation about the point, it should be an infinite number of planes that will make a 3D right angle.

  18. Mary permalink
    June 16, 2009 pm30 7:16 pm 7:16 pm

    I found the whole test pretty easy. I’m a smart student, but I got 60s on all of the practice tests. I wouldn’t be surprised if I got a 100 on this. But, was there a mistake on 27? It gave triangleABC with D as the mdpt. Of AB and E as the mdpt. Of BC. It then asked for the length of AC. I thought a midsegmen was half of the third line, and it said DE was 3, so I thought AC would be 6, but it wasn’t a choice!

    • carly permalink
      June 16, 2009 pm30 7:41 pm 7:41 pm

      it was the midsegment theorem, but you there had to be more numbers given in the question. because you would do the side of the smaller triangle, over the side of longer triangle = the base of the smaller triangle over the base of the longer triangle.

  19. Anonymous permalink
    June 16, 2009 pm30 7:16 pm 7:16 pm

    A 55 raw score is a 64 so I think that best case is in the 30’s worst case high 40’s. It was a pretty fair test. There were no suprise questions. Some were repetative but that is better than suprises. a 46 out of 87 was passing for Jan Math B so this cannot be worse I don’t think It has to be a better curve.

  20. Anonymous permalink
    June 16, 2009 pm30 7:33 pm 7:33 pm

    For number 27 D and E were not necessarily the midpoint therefore nota midsegment they were just points. This made two similar triangles. The answer was 4

    • Anonymous permalink
      June 16, 2009 pm30 7:48 pm 7:48 pm

      I took it this morning and the really only part (that I think) is preventing me from getting a perfect score is the proof. I know how it’s supposed to be done and everything, but I always mess up writing my vertical angles theorem. I hope the grading requirements won’t deduct a point from me.
      Also, after finishing it, I’m worried that I may have put “ASA” instead of “SAS” in the proof (38).

      So, I can only hope to get a perfect score. I’ll find out my raw score this Thursday when I take the Living Environment Regents.

      • Anonymous permalink
        June 18, 2009 am30 8:45 am 8:45 am

        To my knwoledge, and I apologize if wrong, the State Department is set the conversion chart (for converting your raw scores) on June 25, so I don’t see how you could obtain your score earlier than that. I say that in response to the individual who said that he/she would know his/her score on Thursday when taking the Biology Regents. I, too, am taking this Regents and would like to know my score by that time, but unfortunately I don’t think that’s plausible.
        In general comments, I’m so glad to have stumbled upon this Web site: a lot of the remarks appearing hereon are very insightful.
        For the controversial plane question (“In how many points does a third palne intersect…”), let it be said that I put “1.”

  21. bobby permalink
    June 16, 2009 pm30 7:41 pm 7:41 pm

    I thought it was pretty easy, i expecte it to be much harder, and whoever said it repats circles too much, who cares it was so eassy, the proof at thhe end i kinda made it up i did like since there are midpints then it gives you those 2 alt interior angles cong and if there are alt interior it as to be parelel something like that… but wtvr.. i did petty good

  22. Cahlil permalink
    June 16, 2009 pm30 8:02 pm 8:02 pm

    Since its the first of its kind, I would say at most circa 43 or 46 and at least 38 or 39. They want to see how people did on the test before beginning to tough up. I would bet my last dollar passing is 42.

    • Anonymous permalink
      June 16, 2009 pm30 8:56 pm 8:56 pm

      Last year in algebra, 30 raw score was a 65.

      • Anonymous permalink
        June 20, 2009 pm30 2:53 pm 2:53 pm

        lmao

      • Anonymous permalink
        June 22, 2009 am30 11:56 am 11:56 am

        geometry was so easy this year! algebra last year, some of it wasn’t even taught, and I had a good teacher!

  23. Hugh permalink
    June 16, 2009 pm30 8:03 pm 8:03 pm

    GeometryTchr- I wrote a paragraph including writing (pvq) and P: ____ Q:______. Would I be getting the full 2 points? Also, for the proof, the last step, I wrote that if 2 alternate interior angles are congruent, then a pair of parallel lines are present (something along those lines). Would that be given any credit? I realize that I never mentioned anything about a transversal.

    • Hugh permalink
      June 16, 2009 pm30 8:04 pm 8:04 pm

      Also , does anyone know when the answer key will show up ? I hear jmap.org will have it soon, but anyone else have anything?

      • ScaredStudent permalink
        June 16, 2009 pm30 8:14 pm 8:14 pm

        it usually shows up AFTER schools over, because they need to compare all the results all over new york. but u can get ur raw score on the last day of school from ur math teacher

    • June 16, 2009 pm30 10:06 pm 10:06 pm

      Hugh, I posted the answers to parts II, III, and IV
      Your answer to the disjunctions won’t get full credit unless you stated that the disjunction would be true because at least one part was true.
      Your reason for the last step of the proof would be acceptable.

      • Hugh permalink
        June 16, 2009 pm30 11:55 pm 11:55 pm

        Thanks so much T.

        Yes I did state that it was true because one of the 2 was true . And that is what is necessary for a statement using or (v), to be true.

        • Hugh permalink
          June 16, 2009 pm30 11:57 pm 11:57 pm

          Also, I’m not 100 % on my construction. I hopefully got all the points, but then again I am not sure if I did it right. However I did end up w/ a straight line from the point all the way down to the line. Either it was sheer luck, or I must have done it correctly.

          *crossing fingers*

      • Anonymous permalink
        June 17, 2009 am30 10:22 am 10:22 am

        Where is it that you posted II III and IV?

        • June 17, 2009 pm30 3:48 pm 3:48 pm

          posted above where someone else asked for the answers
          or here again

          29 20 either 1/2 of the perimeter of the large triangle or add 1/2 the lengths of each side
          30 3 arcs necessary to construct a perpendicular from a point not on the line
          31 y = -2x+14
          32 2 X for intersections of locus, perpendicular bisector 1.5″ from each endpoint and a circle with radius 2″ from A
          33 True, disjunction is true if any part is true
          34 20 set 2 congruent angles equal to each other and solve for x
          35 SE = 18 since tangent from the same point are congruent, x+3x=24, x=6 and 3x=18
          36 15 + 5 radical 5 , use 3 distance formulas(pythagorean Theorem)
          37 A(0,-1) B(-5,2) C(-6,-1) D(-1,-4)
          38 Vertical angles are congruent, midpoint cuts a segment into 2 congruent segments, SAS , CP in congruent triangles are congruent, If alternate interior angles are congruent, then the lines are parallel.

      • Anonymous permalink
        June 17, 2009 pm30 12:55 pm 12:55 pm

        for the proof, would i get credit if to prove the lines parallel i said, “if 2 alternate interior angles are congruent and cut by a transversal, the two lines are parallel”?

  24. ScaredStudent permalink
    June 16, 2009 pm30 8:13 pm 8:13 pm

    why where there 2 WHOLE questions on planes! i MEAN P L A N E S, they are not important at all. and those same two questions really got me. the question abt how many planes are perpendicular to point p and line m and the question abt 3D geometry that said what is the intersection of the two parallell planes that have a plane in between them! ughhh it makes me so maddd!!!

    • Hugh permalink
      June 16, 2009 pm30 8:24 pm 8:24 pm

      haha sacret student, i hate them as well, i got 1/2 of them correct.

  25. Anonymous permalink
    June 16, 2009 pm30 8:15 pm 8:15 pm

    I took the regents today as well, what was the answer to the radical question?

    • Alyssa permalink
      June 16, 2009 pm30 8:27 pm 8:27 pm

      I took it this morning! it was easy! and so much easier than what i was expecting! the radical question was hard though…i think it was 15+5radical something!

      • doug permalink
        June 16, 2009 pm30 9:11 pm 9:11 pm

        15 + 5\sqrt{5}

  26. Student permalink
    June 16, 2009 pm30 8:16 pm 8:16 pm

    What was the answer to the question with the radical?

    • GeometryTchr permalink
      June 16, 2009 pm30 8:23 pm 8:23 pm

      15+5 radical 5

      • Anonymous permalink
        June 16, 2009 pm30 9:00 pm 9:00 pm

        If you’re a teacher, can you put up the answers?

  27. Student permalink
    June 16, 2009 pm30 8:18 pm 8:18 pm

    A lot of you have said that the passing score will be around 40-50. Does that mean if you got 40% of the questions right you pass?

  28. Hugh permalink
    June 16, 2009 pm30 8:22 pm 8:22 pm

    rad question : 15 + 5 rad 5
    i originalyl had that but then i butchered it by making it like rad 682?

    • Hugh permalink
      June 16, 2009 pm30 8:22 pm 8:22 pm

      but im sure i’ll get partial credit b/c i did the distance formula correctly and showed all my work leading to me getting confused at the end.

  29. Maurice permalink
    June 16, 2009 pm30 8:24 pm 8:24 pm

    The answer to the radical one is 15 plus 5 square root of 5 because you can not combine the two. additionally i thought the test overall was pretty easy except for that weird number 15- was the answer like the top half of te altitute was 2 times the bottom half? it was that one with all those lines in the triangle

  30. Hugh permalink
    June 16, 2009 pm30 8:31 pm 8:31 pm

    maurice: yeah its 2x + x = something

  31. Hugh permalink
    June 16, 2009 pm30 8:31 pm 8:31 pm

    personally i know i got above at least an 80.

    i just wanna get above 90. thats wat im hoping for.

    now i have to concentrate on my next regents, bio on thursday.

  32. notthatbad permalink
    June 16, 2009 pm30 8:36 pm 8:36 pm

    everyone is talking about those 2 plance questions.. can someone let me know what the answers were.. also .. there was a question with a triangle yadayada.. and answer was 3.6 .. .. and the question right after that was X +2x = 6… and teh question about teh diff between the exterior angles and interirion angles of an equilataerll triangle was 180.. can anyone confirm these answers

    • Hugh permalink
      June 16, 2009 pm30 8:42 pm 8:42 pm

      yes you are right about the 3.6, x+2x , and the 180

      the 2 planes were 1 and parallel

      i got the parallel one wrong

  33. notthatbad permalink
    June 16, 2009 pm30 8:54 pm 8:54 pm

    ohh alright thanks.. i got the easiest question on the test wrong about the tangent = 24 thing..

  34. Anonymous permalink
    June 16, 2009 pm30 9:12 pm 9:12 pm

    when do the regents answer key for the geometry regents from today et posted?
    im dying to see the answers!

  35. bobby permalink
    June 16, 2009 pm30 9:31 pm 9:31 pm

    can someone tell me where the regent is posted?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!

  36. hello permalink
    June 17, 2009 am30 12:54 am 12:54 am

    as i a student i thought that the test was pretty fair, i felt like my teacher did not prepare me fully cues i had to teach my self locus and she never went over 3-D geometry . Also my teacher would never review algebra that had to do with the topics she was covering so i got the radical question wrong because i forgot u cant add a radical to a whole number over all the test was much easier compared to what people mad it out to be i finished and hour and half into the test, know i have to reviw for my living environment regents 2mro

  37. Suli permalink
    June 17, 2009 am30 9:27 am 9:27 am

    CRAP! Do i get partial credit if I said that its true without saying because one part is true?

    Other than that…I got this test in the bag. (I hope 95!)

    • Anonymous permalink
      June 17, 2009 pm30 4:15 pm 4:15 pm

      The answer of true with a correct justification is 2 points; an answer of true with an incorrect justification is 1 point (in other words, any attempt at an explanation was worth a point, with an answer of true); and “true” with no justification was zero points.

  38. Anonymous permalink
    June 17, 2009 am30 9:30 am 9:30 am

    Excuse me, #35 was 9.29 right? THey were two secants though! And for the construction, if you didn’t draw that right angle, do you lose points by any chance? And what was the length of SE? And I accidentally put the lateral faces of a pyramid as squares when the answer is right traingles. Any way, the answer to the system of equations was 0 right? And for the proof, I didn’t do SAS and CPCTC but I did vertical angles, a midpoint divides a segment into two congruent parts and that if alternate interior angles are formed, the lines are parallel. So, do I get 4/6 points for that certain question? Please tell A.S.A.P! And, for the logic question, were we meant to draw a truth table? Because I did everything on that!

  39. Anonymous permalink
    June 17, 2009 am30 9:33 am 9:33 am

    hello, if you got a 77 on the geometry regents, what is your raw score?

    • geoteacher permalink
      June 17, 2009 am30 10:24 am 10:24 am

      77 is your raw score. We do not have the scale yet

      • phiz permalink
        June 17, 2009 am30 11:45 am 11:45 am

        how do u know your raw score already

  40. Anonymous permalink
    June 17, 2009 am30 10:36 am 10:36 am

    Yeah. But according to past regent conversin charts, those that have 75 and above are pennalized. SO, if you have 86 you have 100. 85-99, 84-98, 83-97, etc. But, as you closer to the scale score of 70s and mid80s, having 51, 50 and 49 have the same scale score!
    And, I PUT 9.2 FOR quesion 35. THe length ofSEbecause they weren’t tangents! they were secanta obviously!
    ANd I DIDN’T DRAW THE right angle for the construction and for number 4 I did squares instead of right triangles. And i FORGOT TWO reasons!
    SO, 2 and 1 and 4 and 2 equal 9. SO WILL my scale score be 91?
    ANd, for the 28th question, I put 4) intersecting lines. Is that what you put though? And for one point I put infinite! iS THAT correct?

    • Geometryteacher permalink
      June 17, 2009 am30 10:39 am 10:39 am

      THe answer to number 35 is actually 9.3!
      And the answer to 28 is 4. So you are all wrong! And, the conversion chart will be sent to you later.

      • Kevin permalink
        June 17, 2009 pm30 1:21 pm 1:21 pm

        The answer to 35 is actually 18 o.o … Tangent segments from the same external point are congruent.

  41. Geostudent (daughter of carly) permalink
    June 17, 2009 am30 11:06 am 11:06 am

    i DID 0 as the point of intersection for the system of equations. Is that correct though. Please tell me quickly. and what was the answer to 28? Was it a pair of intersecting lines? Please tell me! THank you so much honeys and swaethaerts and candy mans! I love you sicne you all help me out! THnaks Maia! I love your name.!

    • Kevin permalink
      June 17, 2009 pm30 12:10 pm 12:10 pm

      It was a pair of parallel lines it was theorem =/

  42. bob permalink
    June 17, 2009 am30 11:27 am 11:27 am

    every1 is wrong about the radical question. the answer was 5 radical 10 because 250= 25radical10 then 5 is a perfect square of 25 so it is 5radical 10

    • Kevin permalink
      June 17, 2009 pm30 12:09 pm 12:09 pm

      Oh and Bob I just saw your post about how its 5 radical 10

      cause you added
      radical 100 + radical 125 + radical 25 to get radical 250 then simiplied it? You cannot add radicals that so you need to simply it first

      radical 25 = 5, radical 100 = 10, and radical 125 = 5 radical 5
      thats 5 + 10 + 5 rad 5 = 15 rad 5

    • hey permalink
      June 17, 2009 pm30 12:14 pm 12:14 pm

      thats exactly what i put for that question!

  43. Kevin permalink
    June 17, 2009 am30 11:57 am 11:57 am

    The test was really easy, I believe I got everything right but number 18
    The question that asked about the perpendciular planes to line in a point. I was confused about 1 and infinite, but the way the question was worded shouldn’t it be infinite,I also had a smart friend show me how its more than 1, yet everyone still says its 1 and i’m pretty sure thats what the regents got as the answer as well. Any input in this? Any idea what a raw score of 84 will be? 97,98,or 99?

    • phiz permalink
      June 17, 2009 pm30 12:04 pm 12:04 pm

      how did u see your raw score alrady

      • Kevin permalink
        June 17, 2009 pm30 12:05 pm 12:05 pm

        I’m pretty sure i got everything else correct from the answers posted here I got parts II,III, and IV fully correct. And I don’t see how I got another m/c wrong so I’m pretty sure i got 84 raw score not posititve because silly mistakes can always occur.

    • Anonymous permalink
      June 26, 2009 pm30 1:26 pm 1:26 pm

      Same here…that was the only one I got wrong and I swear I can prove its infinite….

  44. Kevin permalink
    June 17, 2009 pm30 12:15 pm 12:15 pm

    So anyone how number 18 with perpendicular planes to line in a point is 1? The way it was worded its infinite.

  45. Bob permalink
    June 17, 2009 pm30 12:41 pm 12:41 pm

    Kevin I put infinite because in math a point does not have a measure (width height radius diameter are etc) which means that an infinite number of planes could pass through the point

    • Kevin permalink
      June 17, 2009 pm30 12:46 pm 12:46 pm

      Yeah I did to but my friend told me its 1 and told me there was a theorem: Through a given point on a line there exists only one plane perpendicular to the given line.
      While this is true the way the question was worded it had to be infinite, well thats what I think atleast.

  46. worried permalink
    June 17, 2009 pm30 12:50 pm 12:50 pm

    Does anybody know if a raw score of 30 will pass? do you think the conversion chart will be similar to last yr?

    • Kevin permalink
      June 17, 2009 pm30 12:52 pm 12:52 pm

      I don’t think so, last year for Algerba was like 37? It depends on how the state does.

      • worried permalink
        June 17, 2009 pm30 12:58 pm 12:58 pm

        last year was 30 for algebra to pass, and geometry is known to b harder

  47. Anonymous permalink
    June 17, 2009 pm30 1:02 pm 1:02 pm

    so many people are saying that the answer two the short answer secant/tangent question is 9.2….i thought it was 12…..isnt the formula 8*8=4*(4+x)?????
    also for the final proof, to prove the sides parallel does anyone know if the statement “if 2 alternate interior angles are congruent and cut by a transversal then the lines are parallel” would be accepted?

    • Kevin permalink
      June 17, 2009 pm30 1:06 pm 1:06 pm

      No tangent-tangent angles do not have a specific formula like sec-tan and sec-sec, or even chord-chord.
      The answer was 18 because Tangent segments from the same external segment are congruent
      so you get 3x + x = 24 where x = 6 then se was 24-6 = 18

      And the reason for proof was
      If two lines are cut by a transversal, and the alternative interior angles are congruent, then those lines are paralell.
      Your reason looks ok but a little incorrect, I’m not sure depends on your grader.

      • Anonymous permalink
        June 17, 2009 pm30 1:16 pm 1:16 pm

        im thinking of a different question…do u know which one im talking about? was i right for that one?

        • Kevin permalink
          June 17, 2009 pm30 1:20 pm 1:20 pm

          No sorry I think it was in the m/c im not sure what I put, I think I put 12 for that one, but it was m/c question

        • Kevin permalink
          June 17, 2009 pm30 1:51 pm 1:51 pm

          Yeah I remembered you are correct it was 12, thats what I put

          Tangent external ^2 = Secant external x whole secant

  48. anonymous permalink
    June 17, 2009 pm30 2:15 pm 2:15 pm

    it wasnt hard it only took 1hr 10 min

  49. Abe permalink
    June 17, 2009 pm30 3:43 pm 3:43 pm

    God it was easy does anyone know where the answers could be posted because i think i might have gotten 100

  50. mary permalink
    June 17, 2009 pm30 4:57 pm 4:57 pm

    NYS should be ashamed of themselves with the Math..My daughter is in Honors Math B and is an average math student…struggles but tries her best. Who gives a test and sees how poorly kids do and then decides the raw score that makes them pass. NYS should completely eradicate the regents, but then again, too many people would lose their jobs. Good luck to all of you and hope you all pass however low the state makes their standards.

  51. Glen permalink
    June 17, 2009 pm30 5:38 pm 5:38 pm

    For anyone wondering, wouldn’t the answer to the “Plane through Point P on line m” be none. My friend asked her brother and he said that it has a surface so it wouldn’t create angles.

    Was that a sort of a, trick question?

    • Kevin permalink
      June 17, 2009 pm30 5:44 pm 5:44 pm

      o.o Idk I was sure it was either 1 or infinity… However, sources say answer is 1 that the regents marked correct However, I still strongly believe it is infinite.

  52. worried permalink
    June 17, 2009 pm30 5:43 pm 5:43 pm

    the conversion chart is out. passing is 22

    • Kevin permalink
      June 17, 2009 pm30 5:44 pm 5:44 pm

      LINK PLEASE

      • worried permalink
        June 17, 2009 pm30 5:49 pm 5:49 pm

        i dont know the link. my dad is friendly with someone on the board of regents

        • Kevin permalink
          June 17, 2009 pm30 5:54 pm 5:54 pm

          Wow thats really low.. So someone can just get 22/28 m/c right and then do none of the short answers and still pass ….

        • June 17, 2009 pm30 6:16 pm 6:16 pm

          There is no link. The cut score has not been set. When it is set, it will be far higher than 22.

          Your dad’s friend doesn’t know. You don’t know. I don’t know.

          (but I know the process. Last year I helped set the first Integrated Algebra passing score)

        • Kevin permalink
          June 17, 2009 pm30 6:44 pm 6:44 pm

          I do not know what is the point of a curve, if there is a curve shouldn’t it be there to benefit all students, and not penelize those that do goods. From 85-100 the scores of the students remain same almost, like last year 87 = 100 86 = 99, 85 = 98, 84 = 97, 83 = 96, 82 = 95, 81 = 94.. and all the way to 92. And it kind of stays that way until 90. Then passing was something like a 31 or 37
          87-37 = 50, 87-31 = 44, how do you give the students that do bad +15,20 points to make them barely pass, and then penelize the students that do well. If theres a curve why doesn’t it benefit everyone… The students that get those low grades on ridiciously easy tests deserve to fail. Look at the Chemistry regents cut off its so much accurate.

  53. worried permalink
    June 17, 2009 pm30 5:56 pm 5:56 pm

    i guess it was tougher than we all thought. and its the first time. and like i said earlier, you cant compare geometry to algebra

    • Kevin permalink
      June 17, 2009 pm30 6:02 pm 6:02 pm

      I got 1 m/c wrong only I think the one with perpendicular plane I put infinite and IT IS infinite because of the way of wording, I can prove it too… However, my friends mom is a geom teacher she graded it yesterday and he asked her and she said it was 1 plane…
      The test was basic tho
      Proof was a joke, simple circle question, simple transformation and locus, and contrcution was easy also..

  54. worried permalink
    June 17, 2009 pm30 6:38 pm 6:38 pm

    jd2718: what do u think it will be? and what is your status that u determine the curve?

  55. Hugh permalink
    June 17, 2009 pm30 8:56 pm 8:56 pm

    answer key:

    http://jmap.org/JMAP/JMAPArchives/EXAMANSWERS/GEOMETRY/0609geans.pdf

    • June 17, 2009 pm30 9:01 pm 9:01 pm

      Many thanks!

    • Kevin permalink
      June 17, 2009 pm30 9:27 pm 9:27 pm

      Thanks, 1 m/c wrong and rest right. So whats Raw Score of 84 = 98 or 99? Also for the proof was it necessary to say it was a transversal.

  56. math thchr permalink
    June 17, 2009 pm30 10:09 pm 10:09 pm

    Whoever created the current scaling system is a genius. Almost everyone passes a very easy exam and the public does not know what the true scores really are. And then the politicians take credit for improving education. What a scam.

    • Kevin permalink
      June 17, 2009 pm30 10:14 pm 10:14 pm

      Agreed. I asked 20-30 friends how they did NO ONE GOT LESS THAN 82 Raw score… When are the raw score conversion charts going to be online. Is 84/86 98 or 99, and is 82/86 96 or 97?

  57. hello permalink
    June 17, 2009 pm30 10:46 pm 10:46 pm

    i am confused can somebody helped me on the short respnse question i got 2 points of :]!!! but on the multiple choice i got 8 question wrong what does that make my raw score

    • Kevin permalink
      June 17, 2009 pm30 11:23 pm 11:23 pm

      8 x 2 = 16 + 2 = 18 ; 86- 18 = 58

      • Kevin permalink
        June 18, 2009 pm30 5:30 pm 5:30 pm

        Oh I made a mistake.. 86-18 = 68 sorry about that

  58. Anonymous permalink
    June 17, 2009 pm30 10:49 pm 10:49 pm

    for the proof, did u have to say that the line was a transversal or could you say it was parallel by converse of AIA???

    • Kevin permalink
      June 17, 2009 pm30 11:24 pm 11:24 pm

      It is not nescessary to say it was a transversal

  59. Student permalink
    June 17, 2009 pm30 11:11 pm 11:11 pm

    I got around 57 credits on it that means I passed correct?

  60. randa permalink
    June 18, 2009 am30 11:30 am 11:30 am

    Uh oh! i heard from someone in board of regents that passing raw score is 62! It’s because of us “idiots” who keep saying how easy it is. Now we need an advocate to stress it was a first time regent. Now my score will be in the 70’s

  61. Jack permalink
    June 18, 2009 pm30 1:26 pm 1:26 pm

    I think I got around a 50 to a 59 raw score, that should be passing right ?

  62. dolce vita permalink
    June 18, 2009 pm30 5:30 pm 5:30 pm

    the test was not fair, the test was based on perimiter, but there were no perimiter questions in the review books that were given to the students. the review books were LOADED with midpoint questions, but NO midpoint questions on the test??? the same exact thing happend last year with the algebra regents, leave it to new york state to give a test that covered information that students were not taught was going to be on the test.

    • Kevin permalink
      June 18, 2009 pm30 6:01 pm 6:01 pm

      So you do not know to calculate the perimeter? Its everything added together, I’m sorry but that is 6th grade math. And the review book did not cover the distance formula or midline theorem? If not then it is not a good geometery review book, and you cannot study everything of a review book you needed to learn something this year. And there was a midpoint question on the test with the square.

  63. Rachael permalink
    June 18, 2009 pm30 7:37 pm 7:37 pm

    What do you guys think the raw score is to pass? i gonna say 35

  64. June 19, 2009 pm30 3:05 pm 3:05 pm

    My teacher told me my raw score was a 35 for geomtry…wat grade you think igot?!?! Ithink ifailed
    Someone help me

    • randa permalink
      June 19, 2009 pm30 6:27 pm 6:27 pm

      both my english principals told me today that 30 or 31 is their guess for passing. so dont worry would be my advice

  65. qeooo permalink
    June 19, 2009 pm30 8:10 pm 8:10 pm

    NYSED officially stated they will be releasing the chart on Thursday, June 25th,2009 ! Good luckk.

  66. qeooo permalink
    June 19, 2009 pm30 8:12 pm 8:12 pm

    http://jmap.org/JMAP/RegentsExamsandQuestions/3-AdobePDFs/OriginalExams/Geometry/0609ExamGE.pdf
    – official link, including what they will count as points for the short answers

  67. Anonymous permalink
    June 21, 2009 pm30 2:16 pm 2:16 pm

    Wheres the conversion charttt?????? Please try to get it cause i wanna know my gradee =[

  68. Anonymous permalink
    June 22, 2009 pm30 12:26 pm 12:26 pm

    The geometry regents were hard. Harder than Algebra actually. So shouldn’t the conversion chart pennalize those with 90s and 80s?

  69. Anonymous permalink
    June 22, 2009 pm30 12:27 pm 12:27 pm

    I think that a 25 should be a pass!

  70. Anonymous permalink
    June 22, 2009 pm30 1:35 pm 1:35 pm

    The geometry regents was hard. I couldn’t agree more!

  71. Anonymous permalink
    June 22, 2009 pm30 1:37 pm 1:37 pm

    I think that 60 credits should be an 85. And 70 credits should be a 95. What do you think personally? Do you agree or disagree? It was harder than the smapler. I don’t know what you are talking about!

  72. Cahlil permalink
    June 25, 2009 am30 10:31 am 10:31 am

    http://www.emsc.nysed.gov/osa/concht/june09/geometrycc-09.htm
    This is the Geometry conversion chart, allot of you will be pleasantly surprised for better or for worse

  73. Anonymous permalink
    June 25, 2009 pm30 1:53 pm 1:53 pm

    Nopee its a 42 =/ but i guess i have to take it over cause i got a 59! >:o so yeup wish me luck in the next test

  74. Anonymous permalink
    June 27, 2009 pm30 12:22 pm 12:22 pm

    um the regents was really hard and not many people passed in my school or in other schools..i think that people with 24 and higher should pass because it was really hard.

  75. Ryan permalink
    June 28, 2009 am30 9:44 am 9:44 am

    wow lots of comments. the geo regents was fairly easy. the must have asked what is the equation of a circle like 4 times. the proof was easy too. but i failed it with a 63! bastards. now i gotta retake it again like algebra last year! and i need the advanced regents diploma and math is the only class that is stopping me from getting it!

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