# Integrated Algebra Conversion Chart – Later Today

June 26, 2008 pm30 12:19 pm

Later today, if all goes well… Later this morning, if all goes very well, New York State Education Department will be posting a conversion chart for the Integrated Algebra.

The conversion chart will probably be here. Also, please complete the Teacher Evaluation of the Exam.

For previous posts on Integrated Algebra: General – Procedures – Scoring

For previous posts on the Regents in General: from me – from a retired NY State math guy

Finally, I was on the Integrated Algebra Measurement Review Committee. (In Albany in April, and then again Tuesday). Some of what we did remains confidential until after the score chart comes out. Trust me, I will have more to say, soon.

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Hello, On my report card i got only the scores for living environment. I took both tests.Why is that?

This scale was crazy…34 to 75 translates to 65 to 85? Very weird…easy to pass but difficult to score high. And I for one am still rather bitter that they cram way too much into the standards and then only test parts of it, and don’t tell us which parts. I’m eager to hear your insider scoop about the review committee.

@Someone – Your teacher didn’t know your Integrated Algebra score until today, so was probably unable to put your algebra regents score on your report card. I would expect you’ll receive your score separately, and soon.

Tanks Kate, but i’ve seen two other people’s Report Cards and they did not have it eighter and they have different math teachers.

My son got a 54 on the Intergrated Mathr Regents. This boils down toa raw score of 22,essentially it looks like he knew nothing. It does not even given him local credit. He did average all year. I am pretty disqusted.

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It’s really not hard to score high on the test. Last year on the Math A exam, I got an 89. I found the test fairly easy.

However, this year was singing a different tune. Math B was MUCH harder. Three hour test? Intense. I used every minute, aside from the last five – in which I was transferring my answers to the answer key, and checking over some problems. Tried my hardest, though! Wound up with an 85! Mastery!

:D

NY State Math has nothing on me! Ha. (Although, I wish I did better. :x)

This conversion chart is riduculous! The State Education Department has lost it! What’s up with the passing score of a 65!? All you need is 30 credits out of 87! If you find the equivilance of that out of 100 it is a 34.5%. No freaking way. An 85 is a 65/87 which is really a 74.7%. You would think scoring high would be easy but lets take a look. A 90 is a 75/87 roughly an 86% And LASTLY once you get into the 95 range the scores are correlated much more accurately. It’s much more difficult to get in the 90s and way too easy to PASS.

Joe, That is why the test stands out when you hit mastery. ;)

Yeah I know but I sometimes think it’s so ridiculous but whatever. I have a question. Did all schools recieve notification that the “mean” was acceptable for the very last question in the exam?

Not sure. :x I took the Math B regents this year.

@Someone – Every teacher in New York just found out their students’ scores today. It makes perfect sense that your friends’ scores were not on their report cards, either.

@nyublog – You are right, it was not hard to score high on the Math A regents. But this Integrated Algebra exam is a brand new test, and it was very hard to score high on it. (I graded 132 of them, you can believe me.) You are also right that the Math B is much more difficult than Math A. An 85 means that you really know some stuff. Well done!

@Joe – we were only told “mean” was acceptable with a “an excellent explanation” – whatever that means! we only ended up giving points back to 2 students. Probably only schools with active members of the listserv heard about it. It wasn’t posted on the NYSED website under corrections.

Ahh. Kate, Is there any way we can view the test? I’d love to play around with some of the questions!

Also – Is this the test that is going to split Math A and Math B?

I remember taking a Field Geometry Test a month or two ago..

@nyublog: Math A and B are being completely phased out. In fact, this last test was the final June administration of the Math A. New York is going back to a more traditional annual curriculum. Math A and B were both 1.5 year courses, but we are moving to three 1 year courses, each with their own regents exam: Algebra 1, Geometry, and Algebra 2/Trig. Except that they’re not your parents’ math courses…for example, Algebra 1 contains all the algebra you would expect, PLUS a superficial smattering of statistics, probability, and right triangle trig. It’s a mile wide and an inch deep, and I find it pretty difficult to teach.

You can download a copy of the test here. Since you have done well on the Math B, you will probably not find it overly difficult, but there are many features that make it difficult for your typical 9th grader to do well.

And if you enjoy taking math regents tests for fun, you should consider becoming a math teacher. :-)

Ooh. That’s pretty interesting, about the whole change and all. I just have a question.. I just finished my sophomore year, and I was in an 11th grade math class – I dropped out of honors after Math I, the teacher was horrible and I learned nothing, thus I went to regular Math II freshman year – Now, Will I need to take any of these other regents? I only know of a select few kids who took the Math B regents in my grade. Also, I am taking Math IV next year – Is that class not going to exist anymore? Or will it still be there? (Sorry for the questions.. Just a tad confused. :x)

And, Haha. That test was alright. I wish I still remembered some of the things I learned three years ago, but, out of the first ten – I got them all right.

And, A Math Teacher – Ha. I would love to do something in teaching, however.. I am HORRIBLE with teaching. Though, I will be going into Finance and possibly Accounting, so I’ll still be in the math-field, ish. haha.

Will NYSED ever release state wide results of the Integrated Algebra regents? I would love to know how the rest of the state faired on this test. How many took it, how many passed it, failed it, scored perfect etc.

It sounds like you are getting your diploma under the old Math A/B system, so you shouldn’t have to take any more math regents. I imagine you will take a local school final exam for your precalculus course next year.

Awesome. :) Thank you for that information.

How can the State justify passing students who 35% of a test correctly? This is a blatant to cover their ineptness. Two years and numerous field tests, predictive assessments, and a fortune on rewriting curriculum, resulted in a test in which blind luck would produce a passing score in more than 1 of 50 students. No wonder our nation is sitting near the bottom of the world in Math and Science.

The parent who wrote that her child grade of 54 knew nothing, was absolutely correct. But do not be hard on the child, after all the State just taught him 25%=54.

How hard is it to make an exam out of 100 points???? This is not done because then every would immediately notice the scam. It is a scam. The State and New York City brag about increases in test scores, when the State simply lowers the score required to pass. It is sickening.

I taught a Math B course this year (in 2 terms). I had to make my students relearn good study habits. They started out overly confident, bragging about their grade of 72 on the Math A. They were disgusted when I showed them the Math A conversion chart. When I taught the probability section, we calculated the probabilty of guessing every multiple choice question and omitting every free response question and receiveing a grade of 55 to be 1 in 50.

I think the test should be formatted like the Sequential exams were. Perhaps with fewer ommissions allowed.

I just remembered that students with Learning Disabilities are allowed to gradeuate by taking the Math RCT. They need to get 65% correct to pass! I’d bet there are many 55 and 65 Math A and Integrated Algebra students who would not come close to passing the Math RCT.

I think a standardized test would be best. But, that’s just me. :)

And, believe it or not.. The passing credit score needed has been rising. However, only by a point or two. If you look, you can see that some of the older Math B tests required a 44, or 45, now it’s a 46.

@sarah – I do not believe the state will release results. That is one of the reasons that math teachers share local results on the AMTNYS listserve – so we can have an overall idea, even if it’s just from a small, non-random sample from across the state.

@joseph – making a 100 point test scale correctly is no harder than making an 87 point test scale correctly. NYSED has willfully decided not to use 100. They think that, since they will be scaling the scores, that having the original not be out of 100 will save them some grief.

also @joseph – I think the State did not publicly explain itself this time. But we should keep repeating, where possible, where useful, what the problems with the state’s math testing are.

@nyublog – the math B “cut” scores (they are called cut scores) have gone up and down. One June they were 50, I believe. I actually have little charts of cut scores on my computer at work – but stopped updating them since A and B are now lame duck exams.

i just dont understand why i got an 80 on this test when i am a high 90 student all year in algebra…can someone explain this too me …please

try harder!

Joseph wrote:

“They were disgusted when I showed them the Math A conversion chart. When I taught the probability section, we calculated the probabilty of guessing every multiple choice question and omitting every free response question and receiveing a grade of 55 to be 1 in 50.”Really? I can’t reconstruct your probability calculations.

Looking at (e.g.) the June 2008 Math A exam, there were 30 multiple choice questions, worth either 0 or 2 points each [total=60], and then a free response section making up the remaining 24 points on the exam.

Based on their conversion chart (http://www.emsc.nysed.gov/osa/concht/08/jun08/mathacc-608.html), to get a scaled score of 55 would require a raw score of 27 points, or 13 1/2 correct out of 30 in the multiple choice section.

Given a probability of 1/4 of guessing any one question correctly, the likelihood of guessing at least 14 of the 30 correctly would be about 0.3%, or 1 in 300. [Even if you go down to getting 13 of 30 correct, that only raises the likelihood to about 0.8%.] Were you doing a two-tailed hypothesis test perchance?

If 1 out of every 300 students who use this scheme while taking the Regents A get away with it, that’s what, 2 or 3 kids in the state?

Hard for me to get worked up about that.

good morning all,

help with problem 16 on the june integrated math regents exam.

the answer is number #2, 42 degrees. the sides are square root of 5, 2, and 3. or 4 x times the square root of 5, 8, and 12.

thanks,

eugene

For the January 2009 Chart click https://jd2718.wordpress.com/2009/01/30/integrated-algebra-january-2009-conversion-chart/

Wow… Was it really that hard? I took it in 2008 when I was in eighth grade and got 100. It was extremely easy, since students were given 3 hours anyway.

I agree.