A Better Tone
The way Mulgrew talks at retirees – it doesn’t have to be that way. Scroll down for an alternative. Look at how patiently, how honestly the Professional Staff Congress helps its retirees with the difficult decision about whether to go with Aetna, or to choose traditional Medicare. Union leaders can treat members with empathy, and with respect. United Federation of Teacher Retirees should expect the same, should demand the same.
UFT Retirees have been getting messages with a “certain tone” from Mulgrew and from the UFT Retiree Teachers Chapter. Messages about health insurance. When they are selling something, they sell it hard, like they are fresh off a used car lot, bad suits and all. And they are selling Medicare Advantage hard.
They’ve won, for now, Mulgrew and the New York City Office of Labor Relations – they’ve won their fight against retirees. Unless something upends their plans, Medicare retirees will be forced off of traditional Medicare, real Medicare, September 1, 2023. So why are they still selling?
Today retirees are trying to decide if they will allow themselves to be moved into Mulgrew’s Aetna/CVS Medicare Advantage, or pay a fairly large amount to remain in traditional Medicare. The period to decide ends June 30, 2023, in just over a month. Going into Aetna happens automatically, unless the retiree acts.
And it is not an easy decision. There’s the politics of privatized Medicare, for sure. But there’s the money. Buying your own Medigap costs real money. And there’s the drug plan. And the City will stop providing Part B Reimbursements (I think). But there are issues of control of prior authorizations. And of which doctors take which plan. And of the cost of drugs. Not easy. Retirees who are 65 and over, many of them need help.
Help from the UFT? It’s still the hard sell. Why? Why so little respect for members? Why so little sympathy for the difficult choices retired teachers are trying to make?
Is there another way? Yes. Look at the following article from the Professional Staff Congress’s Retiree Newsletter. Here is the full newsletter. Please note – much of what Ms. Greenbaum writes is specific to PSC – we can only hope that the UFT leadership puts out something so clear, so empathetic, so understanding. But while we are hoping, let’s not hold our breath.
GETTING CLOSE TO THE WIRE
Joan Greenbaum, LaGuardia & GC
As we all know by now, June 30 is the last date to waive out of what is called the City of New York’s Aetna Medicare Advantage Plan. Many hope that this date itself will be waived away and/or a lawsuit will stop the implementation of this privatized plan. The PSC voted against the MLC’s approval of Medicare Advantage last summer and has garnered support with a coalition of unions that did so as well. So many of us have fought many battles up to this point and will continue to work with other groups fighting the City’s effort to reduce the benefits we were promised when we retired.
That said, however, as a union representing over 3,000 retiree members (and countless numbers of retirees who may have forgotten to pay retiree dues), we are obliged to review our options. The City will no longer pay for Senior Care (the Emblem supplemental plan to traditional Medicare), and this plan will cease to exist. On September 1 all NYC retirees who are Medicare eligible will be moved to Medicare Advantage, except for those who either “opt out” into the NYC HIP VIP plan (a Medicare Advantage HMO, but only for those who live in NYC and surrounding counties) or waive NYC retiree health coverage so they can continue to be covered by traditional Medicare. Estimated costs for Medigap policies to supplement Medicare, as Senior Care now does, will vary by state and other criteria. Not incidentally, waiving NYC coverage will also mean losing the Medicare Part B (& IRMAA, if applicable) reimbursement we receive annually from NYC.
These decisions are huge. Paying on one’s own for a Medigap policy similar to current Senior Care (Medigap Plan G) in New York City will cost at least $5,363 (including Part B premiums) per person/per year.
And there are other costs to consider, such as the possible loss of our Welfare-Fund benefits–drugs, dental, optical and hearing care, which the union is fighting to prevent. The PSC is still negotiating with CUNY to continue Welfare Fund benefits for those who waive NYC coverage. Clearly the City is spiking the deal to transfer almost all retirees to privatized Medicare Advantage.
Physically and emotionally the costs of these decisions may seem almost unbearable to many of us. For younger retirees who are in good health the situation may seem manageable for the time being. But for 2 those of us who have current health concerns and for the many who are octogenarians and older (we have over 20 members who are centenarians!), these seem like life and death decisions hanging in the balance. Questions that have been raised at our retiree meetings include: Will I be denied a needed procedure by Aetna? Will health benefits be seamless between August and September? What if I am already scheduled for a medical procedure or operation in early September? A drug I need is on a list requiring special approval; what will happen to me? And there are many, many more. These concerns cause anxiety and, for some, sleepless nights. There are no clear-cut answers at this time from Aetna or NYC. If you have specific questions about the coverage that will start on September 1st , call Aetna at 855-648-0389. Problems and questions about the transition should be addressed to the NYC Office of Labor Relations (OLR) 212-306- 7200.
While the PSC website is not a panacea for all that ails us now, you can find basic information there which retirees need to know, some guidance about how to make a decision, links to authoritative information, and answers to some of the many questions that keep coming up. As union representatives learn more details on these important questions, the website will be updated. Please keep it bookmarked for reference and help older members who may not be able to access or understand it. psccuny.org/whats-happening-retireehealthcare/
And talk to your friends and colleagues, particularly those who may be retiring this year and haven’t been given these details. On a personal note, as I write this article, I have not yet decided what I am going to do; I’m at least waiting until I hear if we get to keep Welfare Fund benefits if we waive NYC coverage. We have until June 30th to decide and should make use of that time to learn as much as we can.


I would’ve used the word empathy, instead of sympathy, but your article is right on target. I agree we need to avail ourselves of some knowledge to make proper decisions, but where is that knowledge available, as much of it seems contradictory to what NYC and the Uft is publicizing and selling?
I was not sure – but you are right (word choice) – “sympathy” was there 3 times – twice I really meant “empathy” – and I’ve made the adjustment. Thank you.
The UFT finally put out some information about how to avoid getting dragged into Aetna MA, but it still had a scolding tone, and was way short on useful info. Like where should I look for Medigaps? Is there a list with some popular ones for our members? Recommended guidelines for choosing a drug plan? A list of some possibilities? If I want to be covered September 1, when do I need to signed up by, etc. Plus some guidance on F vs G vs L vs all those other Medicare letters… And of course there’s more…
Please make sure to contact your state SHIP office https://www.shiphelp.org
The State Health Insurance Assistance Programs (SHIPs) provide local, in-depth, and objective insurance counseling and assistance to Medicare-eligible individuals, their families, and caregivers. Find the one specifically for New York State. I am working with the ones in Massachusetts, where I live, and they are very knowledgable and really unbiased.
The PSC voted against the MLC’s plan to implement Medicare Advantage. Mulgrew and the UFT basically CREATED the Medicare Advantage plan. Thus, he has to “sell” the plan to members with a massive propaganda campaign. However, his campaign is not working and now he is simply pissed and bitter toward the very people he is entrusted with protecting. This is the information age and Mulgrew should know better that he can’t be pulling secret deals behind closed doors anymore.
As per the health care disaster, Mulgrew and Garrido are as close to criminals as one can get. This is axiomatic. We should be going after them with lawsuits, partitioning the district attorney’s office to convene a grand jury with the sole intent on destroying these little shits by having them fired, their pensions taken away and hopefully imprisoned. They have failed their members and defiled their unions trust. Both should be thrown out with the evening trash. They are weasel scum and everyone knows it, why are they NOT being demolished along these lines. Nespoli is not worth purging he is the idiot half brother. Mayor Adams should be ashamed of himself, seems like he’s as duplicitous as the rest of them, big disappointment as I think he has a good heart.
I am sympathetic to the sentiment – but it’s neither a likely or nor a productive course of action. We are desperately scrambling to protect our members – vengeance won’t save anyone’s health care.
one of the biggest issues for people deciding to not be put in the aetna advantage plan is that aetna, OLR, and the UFT do not make it perfectly clear what to do by June 30. the implications and sometimes direct statements are that if you want to not be in aetna’s medicare advantage plan and get your own medigap plan, do you just submit a waiver form to OLR or do you have to both submit the waiver form AND opt out through aetna? aetna both in print and on the phone tells you to do both. the most recent change on the OLR website “implies” that you only do the waiver form but never says it directly. The UFT email about what to do mimics OLR and never specifically says what to do, and if you call the UFT for help, some UFT reps say only do the waiver form, some say you must do both, but all, instead of being supportive, challenge why one would opt out or waive……Perhaps you could officially find out and publish one of your articles laying out for people exactly what they need to do to not be in the advantage plan so they don’t end up in something they don’t want on Sept 1….because it is clear that if you don’t do it perfectly you will end up in the aetna plan against your wishes
I would like to write what you asked – really clear directions – but I am not 100% certain – today I don’t trust the Welfare Fund – I see more people saying “form only” – but if it were me, I think I would do both – but “I think I would” is not advice, which I am reluctant to offer.
appreciate…I was thinking both, but the possibility is, and has been presented, that if you do both, it screws up the waiver, possibly depending on the dates and times each is submitted, and you end up in HIP VIP because, by the OLR website and waiver form and aetna and the uft, if you submit an “opt out” you are opting out of aetna to be put in HIP VIP…
I believe the goal of the city, aetna, and the UFT is as much confusion as possible so tons of people who don’t want aetna will still actually end up in aetna
I was concerned about the same thing – but I am having trouble creating the scenario where a call to Aetna would trigger OLR to move you to HIP VIP. Can you lay out how that might happen?
by the way, just was speaking to doug pagnozzi and he told me to let you know I was a friend of his.
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I am replying to your request for a scenario where one both waives and opts out and ends up in HIP VIP (and I am adding in the case where one actually could end up in aetna’s advantage plan rather than HIP VIP or being out of the city health plan and staying on traditional medicare and finding one’s own medigap supplement):
first off, it is important to note that buried in the somewhere, where it is hard to see, on an OLR webpage it states that anyone “opting out” of the Aetna Medicare Advantage plan will automatically be enrolled in HIP VIP….therefore if you opt out, even if you fill out a waiver form, you are telling the city you want HIP VIP. If you both opt out and waive you actually are giving conflicting instructions about your wishes for your health care choices. (Personally I believe the city and the unions and aetna are hoping for this so they can do what they want with people.)
Scenario one: HOW YOU END UP IN HIP VIP–since you have given the city conflicting instructions, they would look at the time stamps of the submissions. legally, I believe, the latest instruction, just like people writing new wills, is taken as the actual intent. so if you submit the opt out after the waiver, the city could claim your opt out supersedes your waiver and thus they put you in HIP VIP. Even if the waiver was turned in last, the city could move you to HIP VIP, claiming that since your instructions were unclear because of two forms being submitted, that “to protect you” from losing your city benefits, they move you into HIP VIP because they would rather “err on the side of you keeping insurance” than err on the side of you not having insurance.
Scenario two: HOW YOU END UP STILL WITH AETNA EVEN THOUGH YOU OPTED OUT AND WAIVED–since you have given the city conflicting instructions, and you therefore “screwed up” what you were to do, the city claims that since you didn’t follow proper procedures in telling it what you wanted, opt out OR waive, and since the city can’t contact each and every person to clarify his or her choice, and since it was your responsibility to inform them properly, OLR has no choice but to automatically put you in aetna as of sept 1 as you didn’t do the forms properly to not be in aetna as required if you didn’t want aetna.
Personally, I believe scenario two is what the city, aetna, and the MLC people pushing the aetna plan want. By this happening, on Sept 1 the city gets to file with the federal government for a larger amount of money based on a larger enrollment with aetna, the city fulfills it’s obligations with aetna for how many people are enrolled, and aetna makes more money because it has more enrollees in it’s plan…they figure many people many people won’t have the energy or wherewithall to fight this and will just stay in the aetna plan, even if they could get out prior to the medicare annual transfer period starting in October, and a good number wouldn’t transfer out during the transfer period.
I hope this answers your question.
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I appreciate seeing that scenario.
The call goes to Aetna, not OLR. You think Aetna will call OLR and say “these 4700 people called to opt out”?
I guess it is possible – but then there’s all kinds of problems with OLR taking Aetna at its word… and not just with this scenario.
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Any attorney’s out their; could a suit be made by any UFT member against Mulgrew for monetary damages due to theft of services given his compliant action beginning with DeBlasio (raiding of the stabilization fund) and duplicitous (out right lying) actions concerning the health care bait and switch. Either by a group or even single individuals via small claims just to get things rolling for a larger hammer to fall?? Since clearly his actions were not in the member’s best interest. Pound this miscreant into poverty.
I’m sympathetic to the frustration – but I don’t support suing our leaders collectively or as individuals. We need to act to protect our members and our retirees – vengeance might feel good to some, but it won’t stop prior authorizations.
It’s not vengeance when it’s just punishment, it is just and fair consequences for lying duplicitous dishonest dirt bags whose actions will more than likely cost lives. These people need to be gotten rid and suffer personal damage for their uncaring and unlawful conduct. Do you these want losers around when HC is renegotiated? Don’t become their punching bag, you’ll get less HC the next time around; these bottom feeders are your enemy my friend, and with an enemy that’s about to cause you real physical harm you don’t stop punching until he’s 8 inches tall. Thats the average height of a man flat on his back that won’t be getting up for the bell, metaphorically speaking, these legal punches should all be Susie Q’s (reference Rocky Marciano); not one of us going through this wants them to ever recover, and we are dead right. In addition, it will be a benchmark for who comes next to be careful not to cross.
While you are clearly sincere, “These people need to … suffer personal damage ” – is pretty much the definition of seeking vengeance.
Is putting a thief in jail vengeance because he stole? He is an enemy of the people, he was punished with prison, his freedom was ‘damaged’, yes. Semantics have little value here, these people are scum, we deserve the reckoning.
As I wrote before, this does not protect our members from prior authorization
A member cannot sue an agent of her/his union. It will be thrown out immediately- I’ve known several who have tried.